无尽帝国 2 ENDLESS™ Legend 2

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WuvWoo 10 月 3 日 下午 7:54
Noob questions tahuk edition
So, I'm new to these kind of civ 4x games and have been having a lot of fun with EL2, but I have some questions since I'm trying to up my game.

Is the shared science deal worth doing if you're Tahuk?
I just finished a match as the science guys and I was a neighbor with the diplomat bots. They kept asking me to do the deal where we both get science and can buy research that the other one has researched for cheap. But WHY IN THE WORLD would I, as a science guy, want to make that deal with a non-science guy. I'm basically making their research cheaper for some chump-change science in exchange! Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that seems like a pretty raw deal on my end.

Also, any tips on getting fast science in general?
I didn't research a single last-tier science project before I beat the game via wiping out forts. Honestly, I think I could have won on a pop victory infinitely faster with the Tahuks and their ability to basically spawn pops, but I kind of want to go for a science victory at some point but I just don't know how to ramp up the research fast enough, so any tips on this in particular would be nice.

Also, finally, I think the final mission for the tahuk questline involves getting 100 science on a single observatory. is that... possible? if so, how? Or did I misread that quest?
最后由 WuvWoo 编辑于; 10 月 4 日 上午 11:28
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TheNightglow 10 月 3 日 下午 8:25 
i also feel like the science treaty is kinda silly as the science nation, actually as any nation, if you are ahead you gain nothing from the deal so it seems kinda pointless

for fast science for the tahuk get a leader with the 'Oracle' perk, put him into your council and then always research the science tech from the next future age first, it just speeds up your research speed so much

no i dont think you understood the final tahuk quest correctly, but I also dont remember what that quest was exactly
just checked my old tahuk save and the highest I have on a lab is 60 science, i have almost no science on observatories and I have no quests open
could it be that the quest wants you to have 100 science on the special science building from the tahuk (The Holy Oculum)? by default that building gets 10 science for each adjacent lab, so even without taking the level, improvements and tech into account it already gets a +60 science from the start simply for being in the center of 6 labs
in my save it currently produces 144 science a turn

the tahuk are the only faction I ever managed to finish the questline for, all other factions seem impossible
the bugs keep asking me to level up a leader I dont have, every game its a different leader but it is always one I dont own
the corals ask to gather curiosities at a point in the game where there are no more curiosities to be found and no more monsoons to respawn them
and I suppose if you place your tahuk science building in a spot where you cant surround it with labs, you wont reach the 100 science on it either (if that really is the tahuk quest)

i feel like those questlines are not thought out properly and you get super easily softlocked
最后由 TheNightglow 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 下午 8:28
Dalwin 10 月 4 日 下午 5:24 
I would agree that it is likely that such an agreement would help the other party more, but here are a few counterpoints:

1.) If you are making such an agreement then you are almost certainly on good terms with whoever it is. It might be to your advantage in the long term for them to be stronger.

2.) Since you rarely research every tech from an era, there will probably be some that they chose to do and you did not. The science victory is a race to getting a certain number of techs and then doing the T6 ones. A boost is a boost. The deal will still save you a few turns overall.



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i also feel like the science treaty is kinda silly as the science nation, actually as any nation, if you are ahead you gain nothing from the deal so it seems kinda pointless

I have to disagree with the sentiment that you gain nothing. For one thing you will certainly be skipping ahead to a higher era. This guarantees that some of the techs chosen by your trading partner will be ones you skipped. Also the science victory requires getting a certain total number of techs. There comes a point where the effect of the tech itself can be less important than how quickly you knock it out.

So your benefit may not be huge, but it is certainly not nothing.
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