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wakey wakey 9 月 10 日 上午 11:09
Am i just stupid or did bosses get nerfed into the ground since release?
Everything is on legendary stalker.

Except for the last dlc boss and the two faced overseer everything was kinda a oneshot on the highest difficulty.

The Guardian in the last bit of the main game is also not a boss. I could swear he was a boss before and dies in a few hits while he was rather hard before if I remember right.

The swamp monster was also really hard if I remember right but it just did not much at all in this playthrough. I can't remember why it was so hard in the release week but I certainly remember having issues with it while it was a oneshot this time.

The nameless puppet seems to have lower hp/dmg or I just did way more dmg because of the dlc weapons... It was a first try too and I remember wasting hours on him on release to get the kill just to learn the patterns while this time I just did outdmg him without much care for dodge/parry.
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Plumber 9 月 10 日 下午 4:43 
the dlc bosses are generally very fair and well designed, so if you already had extensive experience with the base game it makes sense that you'd acclimate well to it even though it's more difficult than the base game

door guardian got turned into door pinata, good riddance imo

greenie is supposedly a little toned down compared to release day but i wasn't around for that so i'm not privy to what changed

yes, having dlc weapons and being higher level due to the dlc will make the final boss of the base game easier
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palacentes 9 月 11 日 上午 3:03 
dude, you wasted hours on him to get the kill and patterns? Well done. That is no first try. You have hours of experience. Of course its way easier, even if its a fresh new game.

as for door guardian, what the nerfs did to him was massive. its too extreme.
最后由 palacentes 编辑于; 9 月 11 日 上午 3:06
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电动天使 9 月 11 日 上午 9:19 
引用自 palacentes：
dude, you wasted hours on him to get the kill and patterns? Well done. That is no first try. You have hours of experience. Of course its way easier, even if its a fresh new game.

as for door guardian, what the nerfs did to him was massive. its too extreme.

They nerfed door guardian? I havent gone back to the main game after finishing the DLC.
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wakey wakey 9 月 11 日 上午 11:25 
引用自 palacentes：
dude, you wasted hours on him to get the kill and patterns? Well done. That is no first try. You have hours of experience. Of course its way easier, even if its a fresh new game.

as for door guardian, what the nerfs did to him was massive. its too extreme.

This was like 2 years ago... The hell I would remember the patterns now. I just killed him without any thought and just went full offensive...

Must be really the dlc weapons on top of some nerfs. He was a joke compared of what I did remember.
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电动天使 9 月 13 日 上午 4:23 
Ok yeah Door Guardian has essentially been removed from the game. What an insane nerf.
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Kalameet 9 月 13 日 上午 4:50 
I'll never understand why you people treat any balance update as if game devs killed your parents. They are the only one in charge for designing the intended game experience.

If you all believe your expectations should only match this picture
https://tenor.com/it/view/keyboard-rage-keyboard-gore-blood-blood-keyboard-teclado-gif-16255257
without game devs having no final word on that, then you should go outside and touch grass.
最后由 Kalameet 编辑于; 9 月 13 日 上午 4:51
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电动天使 9 月 13 日 上午 4:58 
引用自 Kalameet：
I'll never understand why you people treat any balance update as if game devs killed your parents. They are the only one in charge for designing the intended game experience.

If you all believe your expectations should only match this picture
https://tenor.com/it/view/keyboard-rage-keyboard-gore-blood-blood-keyboard-teclado-gif-16255257
without game devs having no final word on that, then you should go outside and touch grass.

Door Guardian was a specific and interesting challenge. Now it has been removed from the game.

What I don't understand is why you want the game to BOTH be nerfed AND have different difficulty modes. Why the double dip? They could have just nerfed him on the easy modes and left him as he was on the normal difficulty.
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Kalameet 9 月 13 日 上午 5:13 
引用自 电动天使：
引用自 Kalameet：
I'll never understand why you people treat any balance update as if game devs killed your parents. They are the only one in charge for designing the intended game experience.

If you all believe your expectations should only match this picture
https://tenor.com/it/view/keyboard-rage-keyboard-gore-blood-blood-keyboard-teclado-gif-16255257
without game devs having no final word on that, then you should go outside and touch grass.

Door Guardian was a specific and interesting challenge. Now it has been removed from the game.

What I don't understand is why you want the game to BOTH be nerfed AND have different difficulty modes. Why the double dip? They could have just nerfed him on the easy modes and left him as he was on the normal difficulty.
I don't see what could be the problem.
  • i see it as a gloryfied miniboss in the most boring (read: cinematic) area
  • i never touched the other (reduced difficulty) game modes
  • i don't care if a boss gets nerfed by game developers
  • i see many bosses only as a roadblock in my playthrough. it's up to me decide if i should be invested into "respecting them during the fight"
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电动天使 9 月 13 日 上午 5:30 
引用自 Kalameet：
引用自 电动天使：

Door Guardian was a specific and interesting challenge. Now it has been removed from the game.

What I don't understand is why you want the game to BOTH be nerfed AND have different difficulty modes. Why the double dip? They could have just nerfed him on the easy modes and left him as he was on the normal difficulty.
I don't see what could be the problem.
  • i see it as a gloryfied miniboss in the most boring (read: cinematic) area
  • i never touched the other (reduced difficulty) game modes
  • i don't care if a boss gets nerfed by game developers
  • i see many bosses only as a roadblock in my playthrough. it's up to me decide if i should be invested into "respecting them during the fight"

The problem is a challenge has been removed for no reason whatsoever in a game already lacking varied challenges.
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Kalameet 9 月 13 日 上午 6:27 
引用自 电动天使：
The problem is a challenge has been removed for no reason whatsoever in a game already lacking varied challenges.
ok? If you think you need to sweat more, you can do the following:
EL 1, +0 weapon, broken weapon, no dodge, no run, no legion, no hit. no fable... all at once. You have the power to decide how miserable you want your playthrough. have fun and become a superstar on lpt1:/nobody-cares.net !
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电动天使 9 月 13 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 Kalameet：
引用自 电动天使：
The problem is a challenge has been removed for no reason whatsoever in a game already lacking varied challenges.
ok? If you think you need to sweat more, you can do the following:
EL 1, +0 weapon, broken weapon, no dodge, no run, no legion, no hit. no fable... all at once. You have the power to decide how miserable you want your playthrough. have fun and become a superstar on lpt1:/nobody-cares.net !

What exactly is your problem? You seem offended by the very fact that I'd like the game to have more challenge. Also, cutting my hands off wont change the fact that the boss has been nerfed.
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Kalameet 9 月 13 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 电动天使：
引用自 Kalameet：
ok? If you think you need to sweat more, you can do the following:
EL 1, +0 weapon, broken weapon, no dodge, no run, no legion, no hit. no fable... all at once. You have the power to decide how miserable you want your playthrough. have fun and become a superstar on lpt1:/nobody-cares.net !

What exactly is your problem? You seem offended by the very fact that I'd like the game to have more challenge. Also, cutting my hands off wont change the fact that the boss has been nerfed.
I don't have any problem with the game. I have enjoyed LoP beyond my expectations and i'm glad i had a satisfying journey, along my share of struggles. Can you (not strictly you, but any people like you) say the same without crying?

I'd say no, since all i've read so far is "waaaah my game is not hard enough. Neowiz betrayed me, the Capital-G-Gamer cause and farted on my cat. I can't have any joy with this game and my gaming journey is ruined".

If you strongly believe you can't have joy playing LoP anymore - because it won't make you pull your hairs out in frustration, and you're out of options - have you considered this might be a "you" problem?
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Hopper-King 9 月 13 日 上午 8:20 
引用自 Kalameet：
ok? If you think you need to sweat more, you can do the following:
EL 1, +0 weapon, broken weapon, no dodge, no run, no legion, no hit. no fable... all at once.
i think the only difficulty runs in lies of p that matter are no-hit dodge and no-hit parry boss runs. players who can do that prove they could win, even pre-nerf.
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电动天使 9 月 13 日 上午 8:58 
引用自 Kalameet：
引用自 电动天使：

What exactly is your problem? You seem offended by the very fact that I'd like the game to have more challenge. Also, cutting my hands off wont change the fact that the boss has been nerfed.
I don't have any problem with the game. I have enjoyed LoP beyond my expectations and i'm glad i had a satisfying journey, along my share of struggles. Can you (not strictly you, but any people like you) say the same without crying?

I'd say no, since all i've read so far is "waaaah my game is not hard enough. Neowiz betrayed me, the Capital-G-Gamer cause and farted on my cat. I can't have any joy with this game and my gaming journey is ruined".

If you strongly believe you can't have joy playing LoP anymore - because it won't make you pull your hairs out in frustration, and you're out of options - have you considered this might be a "you" problem?

I enjoyed the game long ago and recently played through the DLC. I don't have any issue right now. I do wonder why you're so mad at people seeking challenge. You should probably face and resolve your ego and identity problems before you go after others.
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wakey wakey 9 月 13 日 上午 9:43 
引用自 电动天使：
引用自 Kalameet：
I don't have any problem with the game. I have enjoyed LoP beyond my expectations and i'm glad i had a satisfying journey, along my share of struggles. Can you (not strictly you, but any people like you) say the same without crying?

I'd say no, since all i've read so far is "waaaah my game is not hard enough. Neowiz betrayed me, the Capital-G-Gamer cause and farted on my cat. I can't have any joy with this game and my gaming journey is ruined".

If you strongly believe you can't have joy playing LoP anymore - because it won't make you pull your hairs out in frustration, and you're out of options - have you considered this might be a "you" problem?

I enjoyed the game long ago and recently played through the DLC. I don't have any issue right now. I do wonder why you're so mad at people seeking challenge. You should probably face and resolve your ego and identity problems before you go after others.

I think he is just someone who get his whole recognition and self worth from video games.

Don't bother with him tbh. you'll end in endless conversations without any logical argument.


Back to thread: All I was asking was if things got nerfed hard since release and yes it seems they did nerf a lot of things. So the thread can be closed without starting a second world war from Kalamet which fragile ego got hurt buy whaterver silly thing is against his world view.
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