Haydee 2

Haydee 2

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Nunu 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 1:23
Women in the Haydeeverse
For a certain reason, I like it when women are treated well. That being said, stories need conflict and bad guys so if a few (hundred) fictional women get rather hard done by that's all well and good. Obviously N7 Sola is a facility that literally objectifies women, given it involuntarily turns them into objects.

But my question is what can we tell about women in the larger world of Haydee?

The first thing is that there is obviously a quite lucrative market for the HD series, demand is only going up. We don't see any of the marketing for the HD series but given we play one, they are humanoid sex dolls capable of human like reasoning and mimicking emotions. We don't know if the public is aware they are brain washed people so we can't assume anything about that.

We can even estimate the cost of production for the HD series, given the size of facilities, complexity of machinery and 'procurement'. I would expect that they would be similar to a hyper cars to us. That is roughly in the low millions of USD, this would also explain why a demand in the hundreds would be considered high as the cars I referenced are made in batches of as few as 20. Also obviously they probably don't use USD and have production tech beyond our modern day but it all evens out to be probably about that equivalent. I don't know how much this tells us but it seems interesting, but at least HD units are very uncommon.

This comparison does lead us to the other place hyper cars would be, boys bedroom walls on posters, which we certainly see a lot of. I personally consider the posters to feel painfully non-diagetic but that's not important in this discussion. The women on posters and magazines all share the same body type (I figure development only had a single female model) which obviously promotes this as the female ideal, much how in our world you tend to only see a narrow range of body types being promoted.

Similarly there is the fact you might have noticed yourself that all the models for these posters were naked. I have it on word of god that the world evolved without a religious dogma against sexuality, leading to both sex and violence being equal contributors to the worlds growth. Taking that into account it explains basically a shift in the rating system. If we were to take our world and match it up to that then you may have things like seeing breasts as equivalent to being punched, which does fit into a PG rating easily. It might be a bit of an over emphasis on the worlds sexuality given you have full frontal nudity in standard video game marketing you might also expect explicit penetration in M rated media. Then the R stuff would presumably have things we would typically consider straight up illegal, right next to our worlds graphic dismemberment (hopefully not both in the same thing).

Now I'm not here to make moral judgements (actually I'm explicitly here for that but anyway) on this worlds media but what they do in an R rated film is not part of this discussion so I'm actively not going into it and I suggest no one else does either. This world is not our world.

I do note that there are no men in any of the marketing, this definitely shows a gender bias towards the depictions of women. One would naturally lean to think this shows objectifying women over men, but I think that is viewing this through the lens of our world. Once we assume that the sexual aspect is in world irrelevant, we are instead left with men being utterly absent from all marketing. All protagonists are either default female or only female, with males being incredibly under represented, more so than we under represent women in ours world. I'm also actively choosing not to go into the dad thing that appears in 30% of the posters. Regardless, showing a male in marketing seems actively undesirable. I think that actually says a lot, although I'm not sure it's intentional.

Also the attire of the HD units. If full nudity is more of a cheeky thing like cleavage to us then it makes sense. Well... except for not having bra's, that much wobbling would be very painful in reality. Also regular underwear, it's an organ that fluids are just generally involved with even on a regular day. Maybe they have cybernetics? The male uniforms on the other hand cover more than our clothes. Not sure how much can be inferred from this given they are uniforms (although Slashy uniform is a leotard) but I do note the difference in what the world considers normal.

The next thing I saw was the risk categories, "Work ... High Rank - 20". That is women are capable of holding a high rank in a workplace, with the two high rank women being a law enforcement consultant and a security software developer. One of these two people are also a military veteran. Being a veteran, presumably women are allowed in active combat and software development shows that options for education are available. It doesn't give us a position on exact equality, but they are considered at least roughly as important as in our world (although we don't necessarily have the best track record to beat).

There is also something very strange about entromutation, that is women don't get it. This might not be intended, but obviously all the men are suffering irreversible appearance changes and none of the women are. You might say this is because the women aren't really human after they've been operated on. There are a few things to consider here but I'm actually going to bring up the two bodies in the morgue. These both mutated after death so whatever is left of the women in the facility should also change. There is the theory that there is more or less a full body conversion into an HD unit but quite frankly that seems very uneconomical and also you wouldn't need to add risk points for tattoos or mild deformities like they do. The only way out of this other than 'plot hole' I see is that perhaps the men are less men than we think. To be honest it's probably a plot hole though.

I also note that the facility seems entirely staffed by men, maybe they converted their female staff when they struggled to meet quotas (unlikely, you'd think THAT would be mentioned)? At the same time people tend to be fairly clinical about their sexual desires, they play juvenile pranks of putting pens and tools in the mannequins but no complaints about having to clean fluids. There is mention of vandalism to 535 by Lorentz but besides that everyone seems perfectly fine to never mention sex outside of the private rooms. Maybe they have become inured to it over their time in the facility? Not sure it's relevant but seemed interesting.

The final point to bring up is that Operbots and Slashy's even exist as they are. Quite frankly under combat circumstances there is no good reason to have giant tits and supple thighs. The thought that sex and violence are equally important isn't really relevant here, you can't convince someone by letting them be intimate with your very obvious combat android/cyborg, not like you can with a gun anyway. It is possible these droids are more or less internal use only, using the spare parts of the HD program. Operbots and the display mannequins out the front of robotics suggest that this is an active combat program though, presumably sold by the company. This means that clients actively want the mostly aesthetic choice of having their combat units look like this. It also shows that they do not mind their female bodies to have robotic heads and arms. You almost certainly have to pay extra for these features compared to a regular combat android. Needless to say as far as objectifying a woman goes, removing the head and arms is more or less as literal as you can go.

Conclusions:

So this leaves us with a few things that are kinda contradictory. Women don't seem actively looked down on in the workforce or military. The media of the world represents women with the HD body type as the female ideal. Video games market themselves with this woman is the character you can be! The female ideal is the only ideal the world needs, why would you want to be a man?

At the same time near perfect analogues of the female ideal are treated like hyper cars, because something that expensive you don't hide away. Operbots and slashies representing that the female form is more important potentially than the female themselves.

The only way to reconsile these two viewpoints is that the world is just cool with it. Presumably you'd have to be stupid not to tell the difference. Real women might struggle to meet this even more impossible ideal. I dunno, you figure the rest out.
最后由 Nunu 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 1:48
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Stonehead 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 7:11 
Doll, human, and machine.... It is something like NieR:Automata.
But unlike Nier:Automata, Haydee 2 has them at the same time.
最后由 Stonehead 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 7:28
Blue Fox 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 7:25 
Consider the fact that Jurani is a criminal organization. Thay kidnap people. So what they are doing is illegal. Maybe they use some cover story about how they are getting body material for their dolls.
antales  [开发者] 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 8:43 
As I already stated, it's a different world, so:
1. Jurani operates outside the state jurisdiction, so the state has all the reasons for deniability.
2. Territories where Jurani operates have poor local government control. I don't want to point fingers, but there are some territories in a real world with the same problem.
3. Rival corporations present much more danger to Jurani than any government.
最后由 antales 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 20 日 上午 8:43
Carrot eater 2021 年 1 月 22 日 上午 10:14 
For what i've understood slashy's bodies arn't initially designed for combat, but they were created with the bodies of HD who failed the process of becoming a sellable item
antales  [开发者] 2021 年 1 月 22 日 上午 11:09 
引用自 Carrot eater
For what i've understood slashy's bodies arn't initially designed for combat, but they were created with the bodies of HD who failed the process of becoming a sellable item
Yes. Also they are sentry bots. Not for combat.
Nunu 2021 年 1 月 23 日 上午 5:06 
Well that's a thing I got wrong. How were the rest of my guesses?
antales  [开发者] 2021 年 1 月 23 日 上午 5:53 
The woman on the posters is not a woman ideal in this world. It's Ellen Haydee, a pornstar and a celebrity in this world. HD series use her as a reference. She's so much popular that there is a market for sex dolls that look and behave like her. They are very expensive and produced in low quantities (like supercars). There are other models. Some produced by Jurani (different facilities exist for that purpose), some by other corporations.

Considering entromutation, that was already answered in a different topic. In general, only very strong desires or emotions can result in entromutation. Technically, entromutation rarely goes the same way (because desires are always different), so there should be a lot of variations for creepers. However that's an unfortunate development/budget limitation.

"Items" either don't have their own desires/emotions (because they were brain-washed) or they are just put into stasis-like states. Ofcourse, that's all arguable, but limitations are still a thing. We are not funded by EA :) That's not much of an excuse, I know.
Radwulf 2021 年 1 月 23 日 上午 9:21 
Off-topic :
The only thing I do appreciate more than Haydee's curves is the development of the background !
I can't wait for next episodes that will lift the veil on this strange universe.


antales  [开发者] 2021 年 1 月 23 日 上午 10:59 
Maybe they will. We'll see about that :)
Blue Fox 2021 年 1 月 23 日 下午 12:44 
引用自 antales
The woman on the posters is not a woman ideal in this world. It's Ellen Haydee, a pornstar and a celebrity in this world. HD series use her as a reference. She's so much popular that there is a market for sex dolls that look and behave like her. They are very expensive and produced in low quantities (like supercars). There are other models. Some produced by Jurani (different facilities exist for that purpose), some by other corporations.

Considering entromutation, that was already answered in a different topic. In general, only very strong desires or emotions can result in entromutation. Technically, entromutation rarely goes the same way (because desires are always different), so there should be a lot of variations for creepers. However that's an unfortunate development/budget limitation.

"Items" either don't have their own desires/emotions (because they were brain-washed) or they are just put into stasis-like states. Ofcourse, that's all arguable, but limitations are still a thing. We are not funded by EA :) That's not much of an excuse, I know.
This lore information is very useful for making fanmade maps.
Also, if you're planning to make a sequel for this game, or a dlc, please take in consideration the possibility to add dog like creepers. They could do ambush attacks , but instead of jumping from the ceiling like bots, they could break through the vent grates.
Different enemies could be vulnerable to different types of weapons. Dogs, for example, could be more vulnerable to the shotgun (at least this way shotgun will be more usefull and player will think twice before mixing bullet powders)
最后由 Blue Fox 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 23 日 下午 12:45
antales  [开发者] 2021 年 1 月 23 日 下午 12:58 
We will consider this. Thank you.
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